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		<title>By: Judas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure that I can bring myself to enter into a discussion with someone who doesn&#039;t understand the fundamental principles of the English language vis a vis the use of possessive adjectives.

None of the people who have posted here own &quot;suggesting&quot;.

Nor should I really bother pointing out to someone the inherent flaw in their self contradictory argument.

I will, however.

The bible states that deformed, handicapped, mentally challenged people are less than human and unfit in the eyes of the Judeo Christian god.

Pray, do tell, how am I taking it out of context?

As you say, one needs to read the whole bible and put it together - when one does that, it appears even more abhorrent than just those verses that I have &quot;taken out of context&quot;.

Please explain what they *really* meant when they said that handicapped people were an abomination.

Please explain why a gay man or woman is &quot;sinful&quot; and please also let me know if you have ever worn clothes woven of two different fabrics.

There really is no point in furthering this discourse with 17 year old fundamentalist like yourself however.

I shall merely wish you well in the blinkered, closed minded world in which you live in and hope that, for your sake, that you are able to evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that I can bring myself to enter into a discussion with someone who doesn&#8217;t understand the fundamental principles of the English language vis a vis the use of possessive adjectives.</p>
<p>None of the people who have posted here own &#8220;suggesting&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nor should I really bother pointing out to someone the inherent flaw in their self contradictory argument.</p>
<p>I will, however.</p>
<p>The bible states that deformed, handicapped, mentally challenged people are less than human and unfit in the eyes of the Judeo Christian god.</p>
<p>Pray, do tell, how am I taking it out of context?</p>
<p>As you say, one needs to read the whole bible and put it together &#8211; when one does that, it appears even more abhorrent than just those verses that I have &#8220;taken out of context&#8221;.</p>
<p>Please explain what they *really* meant when they said that handicapped people were an abomination.</p>
<p>Please explain why a gay man or woman is &#8220;sinful&#8221; and please also let me know if you have ever worn clothes woven of two different fabrics.</p>
<p>There really is no point in furthering this discourse with 17 year old fundamentalist like yourself however.</p>
<p>I shall merely wish you well in the blinkered, closed minded world in which you live in and hope that, for your sake, that you are able to evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Noni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So your suggesting that people with a deformity or mental illness shouldn&#039;t being given the right to live? Now that makes me sick. All of you make me sick. You have a go at this woman for not having empathy for the couple but what about the child? You have no empathy or sympathy for the child. Whether you like it or not, mentally disabled people are equal to us. They usually have a heart, a brain, arms, legs, eyes, mouth, ears and a soul just as you do. 

Also don&#039;t use verses of the Bible to suit your benefit. Your taking that verse out of context. Read the whole Bible and put it together. 

Oh and for the whole &quot;its a foetus&#039; thing, It&#039;s still a human being - its not a some other crazy thing is it? When you give birth to a dog, than you have somewhat of an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So your suggesting that people with a deformity or mental illness shouldn&#8217;t being given the right to live? Now that makes me sick. All of you make me sick. You have a go at this woman for not having empathy for the couple but what about the child? You have no empathy or sympathy for the child. Whether you like it or not, mentally disabled people are equal to us. They usually have a heart, a brain, arms, legs, eyes, mouth, ears and a soul just as you do. </p>
<p>Also don&#8217;t use verses of the Bible to suit your benefit. Your taking that verse out of context. Read the whole Bible and put it together. </p>
<p>Oh and for the whole &#8220;its a foetus&#8217; thing, It&#8217;s still a human being &#8211; its not a some other crazy thing is it? When you give birth to a dog, than you have somewhat of an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: @braziel</title>
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		<dc:creator>@braziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the right to choice. I also agree that to say &quot;these people make me sick&quot; shows a lack of empathy and a dogmatic certainty that i always find disturbing. 

The same dogmatic over simplification is also disturbing when applied to pro-choice arguments. I don&#039;t think abortion should ever become an easy option. 

What bothered me about the story was the couples decision to sue the hospital.  If a doctor deliberately misled the couple then maybe, just maybe there is a case to answer. If a mistake was made or the test results simply didn&#039;t show up then I&#039;m sorry but you gather all your resources and bring up your disabled children as best you can with as much help and support the rest of society can give. 

There is no &#039;right&#039; to have perfect children, perfect health or a charmed life without tragedy or simple misfortune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the right to choice. I also agree that to say &#8220;these people make me sick&#8221; shows a lack of empathy and a dogmatic certainty that i always find disturbing. </p>
<p>The same dogmatic over simplification is also disturbing when applied to pro-choice arguments. I don&#8217;t think abortion should ever become an easy option. </p>
<p>What bothered me about the story was the couples decision to sue the hospital.  If a doctor deliberately misled the couple then maybe, just maybe there is a case to answer. If a mistake was made or the test results simply didn&#8217;t show up then I&#8217;m sorry but you gather all your resources and bring up your disabled children as best you can with as much help and support the rest of society can give. </p>
<p>There is no &#8216;right&#8217; to have perfect children, perfect health or a charmed life without tragedy or simple misfortune.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 03:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As human beings, It seems that we have a supreme arrogance about what we think should live and die,  With an undue bias on human life.  
I feel nothing but pity and sadness for those that would judge others without first examining the facts, and allowing those people to make an informed decision based on those facts.  Instead there are that that would use their baseless dogmatic views and ideas to pass judgement, as if they were some how better than other people.  I feel that such arrogance and ignorance is an undesirable trait that humans will need to re-examine, if we are to further the survival of our species.
An Idealistic view? maybe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As human beings, It seems that we have a supreme arrogance about what we think should live and die,  With an undue bias on human life.<br />
I feel nothing but pity and sadness for those that would judge others without first examining the facts, and allowing those people to make an informed decision based on those facts.  Instead there are that that would use their baseless dogmatic views and ideas to pass judgement, as if they were some how better than other people.  I feel that such arrogance and ignorance is an undesirable trait that humans will need to re-examine, if we are to further the survival of our species.<br />
An Idealistic view? maybe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Pribble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Pribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing really, people are so full of themselves sometimes. I wonder what that woman would have done had she been in the same position? Having the choice of aborting a child that is &quot;defective&quot; over choosing a life where she would undoubtedly be looking after this child into adulthood, assuming the child lives that long.

We have the ability to test for these disorders, and if a zygote is defective, it&#039;s still just a bunch of cells. Since I don&#039;t think people have souls, the idea of aborting a fetus is fine with me, especially if the potential child is going to suffer an awful life.

What I really dislike, as do you, is the blatant disregard of empathy for the couple who are suing. I mean, I don&#039;t really know if suing is the right thing to do, and whether the doctors can really be considered negligent, but for the parents I am sure this is life-shattering to say the least. And these attitudes are only perpetuated by a church system which sees itself as having the right to intervene into people&#039;s lives with a bunch of arbitrary rules (which of course as we&#039;ve all seen they have trouble adhering to themselves). The bible is not the place to look when seeking fair ooutcomes.

As Miguel said, the world is full of ignorant people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing really, people are so full of themselves sometimes. I wonder what that woman would have done had she been in the same position? Having the choice of aborting a child that is &#8220;defective&#8221; over choosing a life where she would undoubtedly be looking after this child into adulthood, assuming the child lives that long.</p>
<p>We have the ability to test for these disorders, and if a zygote is defective, it&#8217;s still just a bunch of cells. Since I don&#8217;t think people have souls, the idea of aborting a fetus is fine with me, especially if the potential child is going to suffer an awful life.</p>
<p>What I really dislike, as do you, is the blatant disregard of empathy for the couple who are suing. I mean, I don&#8217;t really know if suing is the right thing to do, and whether the doctors can really be considered negligent, but for the parents I am sure this is life-shattering to say the least. And these attitudes are only perpetuated by a church system which sees itself as having the right to intervene into people&#8217;s lives with a bunch of arbitrary rules (which of course as we&#8217;ve all seen they have trouble adhering to themselves). The bible is not the place to look when seeking fair ooutcomes.</p>
<p>As Miguel said, the world is full of ignorant people.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, Prince Judas, as always.

I find it disturbing that some people feel that they have the authority to judge other people’s choices, without even knowing who the people in question are, or where they’re coming from.  

In the case Maryann Wright (the original poster of that tweet) so harshly criticizes, these two couples were denied their right to choose what to do, by depriving them of the necessary information to do so, that is all. Regardless of what they would have done had they gotten the proper information, this is their right. 

What if it was the other way around and the information they didn&#039;t get would have saved the babies&#039; lives? 

I’d like to invite you, Maryann, to imagine for a moment (as an experiment) that you are deprived of your right to choose what you think would be in your best interest in any given situation. Would you think differently? 

You’re welcome to try to sue me if it makes you happy, that is the beauty of having rights, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Prince Judas, as always.</p>
<p>I find it disturbing that some people feel that they have the authority to judge other people’s choices, without even knowing who the people in question are, or where they’re coming from.  </p>
<p>In the case Maryann Wright (the original poster of that tweet) so harshly criticizes, these two couples were denied their right to choose what to do, by depriving them of the necessary information to do so, that is all. Regardless of what they would have done had they gotten the proper information, this is their right. </p>
<p>What if it was the other way around and the information they didn&#8217;t get would have saved the babies&#8217; lives? </p>
<p>I’d like to invite you, Maryann, to imagine for a moment (as an experiment) that you are deprived of your right to choose what you think would be in your best interest in any given situation. Would you think differently? </p>
<p>You’re welcome to try to sue me if it makes you happy, that is the beauty of having rights, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>World is full of ignorant people.  Good post.</description>
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		<title>By: Pax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your writing, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your writing, as always.</p>
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